Tesla was of mixed ethnic heritage: Croatian and Serbian

teslafan's picture

I've run into a common misconception that Nikola Tesla was a Serb living in Croatia when this is not the case. Nikola Tesla's genealogy is mixed: part Croatian and part Serbian. As he indicated in his personal diary which is on display at the Nikola Tesla University in Belgrade, Serbia: "It is dear to me that the Croats hold to me as their own because my roots, my family Draganici are Croatians from Zadar. From the birth of the family name in the 16th century they left Zadar and moved to Lika and settled there. They came to Lika by going over Novo Vinodola. My mother's roots from the family Kalinici are also Croatians from Novog Vinodola. My great-grandfather because of unfortunate circumstances had to leave Lika and went to Bosna Krajina(know as turkish hrvatska at that time) and there he married a Orthodox Christian girl and as well also became a member of the Orthodox religion. My great grandfather had buckteeth and people gave him the nickname Tesla after the tool with that name which is used to carve wood. My grandfather was a highranking official in the Lika Army and my father was an orthodox priest." Tesla is, therefore, a son of both Croatia and Serbia.

Yugoslav's picture

Very interesting, I didn't read about this before. Does a copy of Tesla's diary exist in digital version anywhere, or in print? If not, is there any chance that you could take a photo of this diary and preferably of this quote on your next visit to the place?

I have read a lot of Tesla's writings and it is very obvious from various situations that Tesla was a Yugoslav-unity supporter, which is not surprising at all, but I never came across any writings like the one you quoted from this diary.. If anyone can tell me how I could get a hold of a copy of this diary I would be very thankful.

toma's picture

From timeline:

June, 1st 1892:  Tesla Speaks In Belgrade (Serbia)

Tesla arrived in Belgrade due to the call from Belgrade municipality. Several thousand people greeted him at the Belgrade train station. He addressed the gathered crowd, who saluted him: "There is something within me that might be illusion as it is often case with young delighted people, but if I would be fortunate to achieve some of my ideals, it would be on the behalf of the whole of humanity. If those hopes would become fulfilled, the most exiting thought would be that it is a deed of a Serb. Long live Serbdom!..." Tesla met the young Serbian King, Alexander Obrenović, the following day. The king awarded Tesla with the Medal of St. Sava for extraordinary contribution to science the following year.

I am sure that Tesla knew his nationality. If he lived in present time, he and his family would be expelled to Serbia like all Serbs from Croatia.

Yugoslav's picture

I am sure that Tesla knew his nationality. If he lived in present time, he and his family would be expelled to Serbia like all Serbs from Croatia.

First, please refrain from leaking hatred, Tesla would be offended by such generalisations and misinformation. I’m sure that at “present time” there are no programs in place to expel any Serbs out of Croatia, even if such fact was somehow relevant to this topic.

Secondly, there is no doubt that Tesla had on numerous occasions identified himself as a Serb, but how does this restrict us from finding out about the other things that Tesla may have said or written? I personally would be really interested to see this diary of Tesla’s. In fact, some time after I read this thread, I also came across some of the information that the OP posted, but I have since forgotten where and cannot find my bookmark. I am now nonetheless more convinced that such writing exists but I am yet to confirm it as a true fact.

Thirdly, there are strong indications in Tesla’s writings that Tesla was aligning towards (i.e. supporting) a unified South Slavic ethnicity – one where Serbs, Croats and other South Slavs who spoke the same language and shared a lot of the culture would be considered as one and the same. However, it is clear that Tesla had many friends, and many enemies, and he had to be very careful in what he would say. Nonetheless, he ended up making it clear, at great risk to himself, that he supported Yugoslav unity, and his most famous quote for this is of course:
“I am equally proud of my Serbian origin and my Croatian fatherland. Long live all Yugoslavs.”

toma's picture

Unfortunately, there are many individuals, organisations and even states, making abuse around Nikola Tesla's name and facts around his work and especially his roots. For whatever the reason, they want to "rewrite" the roots part of his past and remove "Serb" as origin from there. Which is very sad. I think Tesla deserves better then that!

World knows enough facts about Nikola Tesla and these facts are proven. These facts can be checked and examined in Belgrade's "Nikola Tesla Museum" at any time - including Nikola's birth certificate... and yet there often come abuse. For example: because Nikola Tesla was born on a territory that is - TODAY'S Croatia - but at the moment of Tesla's birth and also part of his life there, that territory was - NOT CROATIA! - it's therefore without any discussion incorrect to claim that he was "Croatian born", "Born in Croatia", "Croatian Serb" - or even worse: "Croat".

A such claims are incorrect and evil, which bring damage to Tesla's good name.

THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF KRAJINA

On many Croatian sites and even Wikipedia it recently gets more (and more) often mentioned that "The Military Frontier, Krajina" was "Croatian Military Frontier", which is also NOT correct!

As in the period between 1941-1945 Croats slaughtered nearly a million of Serbs, Jews and Gipsies, mainly from Krajina region (including the village Smiljan, where Tesla was born! Tesla's house was by the way burned to the ground!.. Google just on term "Jasenovac" and you'll find out) and killed again thousands and expelled about quoter of million Serbs in latest civil war between 1991-1995 from the very same Krajina region, so the region is now "Ethnically cleansed", in order to justify these historical events, Croats are REWRITING Serbian history of Krajina AS WE SPEAK. So even Tesla doesn't get spared. As the matter of fact, that's one of the reasons that out of the blue Tesla "needs" to be Croat.

TESLA'S SERBIAN BACKGROUND

Nikola Tesla was Serb, born on July 10, 1856 to Serb parents, father: "Milutin Tesla", who was Serbian Orthodox priest and mother: "Georgina-Đuka Tesla" born "Mandić", who also came from Serbian Orthodox priests family. Her father Nikola Mandić, was Serbian Orthodox priest as well. For what it counts, Nikola Tesla's (3) sisters: Milka, Angelina and Marica - were all married to Serbian Orthodox priests. Or in short, it's safe to say that due to obviously strong "priests tradition" Nikola Tesla's family was 'hard core' Serbian Orthodox priests family.

Nikola Tesla was born on Serbian Military Frontier territory called Krajina, which was (back then) part of Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, aka Habsburg Empire.

Therefore, in no case could Tesla have ever been (born) Croat and/or born in Croatia. If Croats want for whatever the reason to refer to Nikola Tesla's roots, the correct announcement in that context would be: "Nikola Tesla was Serb, born on the territory of Serbian Military Frontier province Krajina - which was back then part of Habsburg Empire and which is today's Croatia." Or to spare them self (and the rest of the world) of all bullshit, they can refer to Nikola Tesla simply as: "Serb."

Any other way of referring to Tesla's roots, which in essence doesn't comply to the fact as mentioned above, is therefore a LIE.

TESLA'S VISIT TO BELGRADE, SERBIA - JUNE 1, 1892

Nikola Tesla has been, in his own words, clear about his "Serbian background" on many occasions during his life - and so is his official "birth certificate" (which still exist!)

Next to his birth certificate, probably the strongest argument that Nikola Tesla left behind, is the one during his PUBLIC speech in Belgrade, on June 1, 1892. Among other, during that speech Nikola said the following:

"I HAVE REMAINED A SERB EVEN ACROSS THE OCEAN" and "I feel much more than I can say. Please do not measure the extent of my feelings by the weakness of my words... If I am fortunate enough to fullfill at least some of my ideals, that will do good for the whole of mankind. If that is achieved, I will be glad to say that a Serb has done it." (Source: http://www.teslasociety.com/serbia150.htm)

So why would anyone else want to claim it differently today?

AMERICAN-SERB TERM

In addition, the story above is the story about Nikola Tesla's birth and his roots, so please make no mistakes about his American citizenship that he got later on in his life, when he immigrated to USA. Therefore: as long as THAT part of his life is concerned, him living in America and under American citizenship, American-Serb is also correct term. But even for America goes: in NO WAY could Tesla be addressed only as "American" scientist, because Tesla WAS NOT born in USA. He immigrated there but he NEVER abandoned his roots!

Therefore for that part of history, we INSIST on the term: "American-Serb".

Nikola Tesla has given so much to humanity. The TRUTH is at least, what humanity can give back to him!

bkremenko's picture

Article about  Croatian origin is an absolute lie!

It's product of Croatian historian Ljubica Stefan. She has written several books based on the Serbs in the negative sense of course.
Give it no longer reproach from the duck from Ljubica Stefan. In fact she is (God rest her soul) launched a duck on a fake diary and so earn 5 minutes of national fame, then that same duck became the basis of a number of books that have been published in Croatia (I even saw one in Italy based on that duck...) . It is a shame and I would say disrespect for the Tesla! Complete misinformation! If someone is really interested in scientific work of Nikola Tesla and his origins, I suggest you to read  American versions of Tesla biography (which is not loaded with hatred against serbs): Prodigal Genius - John O'Neill, Tesla: Man Out of Time by Margaret Cheney, WIZARD, The Life and Times of Nikola Tesla, by Marc J. Seifer ...
There is also a lot of Tesla's original records in the American Archives.
Read more! Only reason why some historian are trying to convert Tesla blood cells it's (political) because they want a good PR agent for the state.
Thanks and best regards!

Yugoslav's picture

Unfortunately, there are many individuals, organisations and even states, making abuse around Nikola Tesla's name and facts around his work and especially his roots. For whatever the reason, they want to "rewrite" the roots part of his past and remove "Serb" as origin from there. Which is very sad. I think Tesla deserves better then that!...................

My dear friend, I applaud your voluntary services to the cause of Nikola Tesla, but your methods are not such that Tesla would endorse. You did not address any points which I have made earlier. You are copying large chunks of text from the internet and pasting the same into a forum (even if the original text is yours personally, it would've been better to have left a link instead). From the given text it is clear and obvious to anyone with a brain that the author of it is a biased, unscientific generalist who really did not understand the essence of Tesla's philosophical teachings.

Nobody here is denying anything that Tesla said and nobody is denying that Tesla considered himself as a Serb. To suggest otherwise would be to offend the forum user's intelligence, which you did with that post. I am not going to go through the whole thing now addressing all the issues and wrong conclusions drawn by the original author, but if you have any specific points to make or to bring to my attention then I would be more than happy to respond.

FYI I've read all Tesla biographies and auto-biographical pieces and have also read a large part of his technical writings, so I have a pretty good idea of what Tesla was thinking.

AmericanBlackGerman's picture

Great come back. You are correct. I know I'm a little late, but....said said even worse a Croat.
Then habitually used that term.
The black part of me says that's a bigot.

truthwillsurvive's picture

So you are suggesting that he called himself a Serb but he was actually Croat but unaware of that. This is so funny,  what you wrote in first post here is lye, such text did not exist in Tesla diary if such a thing exist. Tesla was proud to be a Serb he very much liked to read about Serbian heroes in history and he admired them. He really enjoyed reading Serbian epic poetry  You can read that in "My inventions".   

Yugoslav's picture

So you are suggesting that he called himself a Serb but he was actually Croat but unaware of that. This is so funny,  what you wrote in first post here is lye, such text did not exist in Tesla diary if such a thing exist.

That's clearly not what the original poster was suggesting... Stop with such comments please.

I'm still trying to find out about this diary.

truthwillsurvive's picture

I've run into a common misconception that Nikola Tesla was a Serb living in Croatia when this is not the case. Nikola Tesla's genealogy is mixed: part Croatian and part Serbian.

Sorry my mistake, but this also is not a truth.

Here is Nikola Tesla family tree (genealogy)

Nikola Tesla genealogy by mother side:

IMAGE(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8995/rmg.gif)

genealogy by father side:

IMAGE(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/9241/n2l.gif)

Sorry Yugoslav cause this family tree is written on Cyrillic letter. But I suppose since your name here is Yugoslav that you learned both letters in school (as was custom in former Yugoslavia) You can do further research if you want but I can assure you that all his ancestors were Serbs. Not to mention that most of his relatives were killed during WW2  by ustashy fascist nazzy  regime. There are still people that carry the last name Tesla they are living in Belgrade as refugees from Croatia (but seems that they are not in relation with Nikola Tesla family)

Yugoslav's picture

Sorry my mistake, but this also is not a truth.

Here is Nikola Tesla family tree (genealogy)

You can do further research if you want but I can assure you that all his ancestors were Serbs. Not to mention that most of his relatives were killed during WW2  by ustashy fascist nazzy  regime. There are still people that carry the last name Tesla they are living in Belgrade as refugees from Croatia (but seems that they are not in relation with Nikola Tesla family)

Thank you for these diagrams. If I am reading these trees correctly they start from around.. let's say after 1750's. Assuming that these trees are accurate, they still do not provide the information prior to 1750's, and as such, you cannot claim that "all his ancestors were Serbs" as it is blatantly unscientific. If you want the truth, you better start deducing carefully. The original poster's quote contained the term "16th century", so that part still remains unresolved, unless of course this diary exists and it contains the mentioned text. But even then, it would require more research.

And the other thing is, and I can't believe that I have to go over this again in this same thread, but the atrocities against the Serbs OR against any of Tesla's relatives have NOTHING to do with Tesla's genealogy. I fail to grasp why you would think this to be relevant -- presumably you are using it as a persuasive technique, which is, again, blatantly unscientific.

truthwillsurvive's picture

Sorry my mistake, but this also is not a truth.

Here is Nikola Tesla family tree (genealogy)

You can do further research if you want but I can assure you that all his ancestors were Serbs. Not to mention that most of his relatives were killed during WW2  by ustashy fascist nazzy  regime. There are still people that carry the last name Tesla they are living in Belgrade as refugees from Croatia (but seems that they are not in relation with Nikola Tesla family)

Thank you for these diagrams. If I am reading these trees correctly they start from around.. let's say after 1750's. Assuming that these trees are accurate, they still do not provide the information prior to 1750's, and as such, you cannot claim that "all his ancestors were Serbs" as it is blatantly unscientific. If you want the truth, you better start deducing carefully. The original poster's quote contained the term "16th century", so that part still remains unresolved, unless of course this diary exists and it contains the mentioned text. But even then, it would require more research.

You are really stubborn to prove that Tesla was a Croat, he was not. Before 16 century it is hard to trace anyone origin even if he is from noble roots. What are you trying to do? If you trace the roots long enough in past that you will find that he is descendant from Adam and then you can remove Serb name from him.  You are really pathetic  it is like you are begging "please can Tesla be just little bit Croat?"  No he cant, but neither can I prove that all those names from genealogy were Serbs although I know they were. Tesla s family carried tradition of orthodox priests so they would not mix with Croats.

truthwillsurvive's picture

And the other thing is, and I can't believe that I have to go over this again in this same thread, but the atrocities against the Serbs OR against any of Tesla's relatives have NOTHING to do with Tesla's genealogy. I fail to grasp why you would think this to be relevant -- presumably you are using it as a persuasive technique, which is, again, blatantly unscientific.

Of course it is relevant with the subject if your people killed relatives of Tesla meaning that they destroyed Teslas family gen .

truthwillsurvive's picture

Sorry if I have been to harsh. Nevertheless everyone have right to believe in what he wants.

I feel sad because I thought this forum will be more active.

Yugoslav's picture

You are really stubborn to prove that Tesla was a Croat, he was not. Before 16 century it is hard to trace anyone origin even if he is from noble roots. What are you trying to do? If you trace the roots long enough in past that you will find that he is descendant from Adam and then you can remove Serb name from him.  You are really pathetic  it is like you are begging "please can Tesla be just little bit Croat?"  No he cant, but neither can I prove that all those names from genealogy were Serbs although I know they were. Tesla s family carried tradition of orthodox priests so they would not mix with Croats.

You are lucky you haven't received a warning from the admin yet, or maybe you did, but your unscientific behaviour is not worthy of this forum. But let me reply.

It is practically impossible to logically deduce that I am trying "to prove that Tesla was a Croat". You are either incapable of comprehending argument or are simply delusional. This isn't a court of law, and there are no sides. We're trying to investigate any and ALL evidence in relation to Tesla's ethnic heritage. The only thing that can be concluded from your remarks is that you are afraid that some evidence might come to light which might indicate that Tesla's genealogy is not "pure".

The most interesting fact is that you are not even curious to investigate the possibility of the existence of this diary? What is your true agenda if it is not to explore the life of Nikola Tesla? If there is something that Tesla wrote which I haven't heard about then that would be a big excitement for me IRRELEVANT of what the text says. For you on the other hand, it seems that you're trying to deny the existence of this diary without providing any proof.

You are calling me pathetic and a beggar. For your information, it makes no difference to me whether Tesla was a Croat or a Serb, because I consider both ethnicities to be equivalent, but that's not a topic for this forum so we'll leave it at that.

You are stating that you can't prove something although at the same time you "know" this to be the fact. This is again blatantly unscientific. If you want to investigate something properly you must do so without bias, and you are clearly heavily biased.

Of course we can't prove anything, but we can gather as much evidence as we can before we lay down the probabilities for the possible scenarios, and not jump to conclusions.

Of course it is relevant with the subject if your people killed relatives of Tesla meaning that they destroyed Teslas family gen .

Can you please explain how this is relevant? What does this have to do with the diary in question?

Sorry if I have been to harsh. Nevertheless everyone have right to believe in what he wants.

It is not a question of what you or I believe in. Our beliefs are irrelevant. When we have finished gathering ALL the evidence then can we form a scientific opinion based on that evidence.

truthwillsurvive's picture

It is practically impossible to logically deduce that I am trying "to prove that Tesla was a Croat". You are either incapable of comprehending argument or are simply delusional. This isn't a court of law, and there are no sides. We're trying to investigate any and ALL evidence in relation to Tesla's ethnic heritage. The only thing that can be concluded from your remarks is that you are afraid that some evidence might come to light which might indicate that Tesla's genealogy is not "pure".

All real evidence suggest that he was a pure Serb.

The most interesting fact is that you are not even curious to investigate the possibility of the existence of this diary? What is your true agenda if it is not to explore the life of Nikola Tesla? If there is something that Tesla wrote which I haven't heard about then that would be a big excitement for me IRRELEVANT of what the text says. For you on the other hand, it seems that you're trying to deny the existence of this diary without providing any proof.

I have little interest in possible falsifications, example in John Smith interview with Tesla from 1899. Although I liked that interview I dismissed it because it is not proven to be true, evidence suggest contrary.  You are accusing me for trying to deny existence of diary without proof when you are actually doing same by suggesting the existence of diary without proof.

You are stating that you can't prove something although at the same time you "know" this to be the fact. This is again blatantly unscientific. If you want to investigate something properly you must do so without bias, and you are clearly heavily biased.

Arguing with you reminds me on debate with Darwinist's.(clearly you have better knowledge of English language and I may appear to be more simple) I am not a scientist and there is no such a thing as unmistakable scientific method that always lead to truth, but I don't want to go further in possible philosophic dispute.
Now you reminded me, here is something that may actually go on your side of the story. Tesla museum in which (with shame) must admit I'v never been (although I lived in Belgrade for almost two years) has collection of over  150.000 documents regarding Tesla in their archives. No man alone read all the documents to have complete picture! (Maybe you come to Serbia and we could visit museum together?)Many of Darwinist's(I give them just as example) accept only scientific methods which go in their advantage. Much of Tesla's work was based on his grate intuition. He couldn't prove many of his theories before he demonstrated it practically. Only in his later years by studying ancient eastern wisdom (Sanskrit Veda ) where he begun to finding adequate theory for his work. I wrote about it in thread "Other possible reasons for suppression of Tesla" on this forum.
Tesla believed in God, he did not hang out with scientist of his time. I believe you know this, but I will tell it anyway cause it's interesting to see how much spiritual Tesla was. In museum, one of the documents that was (not sure it is now) on display is invitation from sir William Crookes and his wife to attend their spiritual sessions. William Crookes was the famous British spiritualist, mystic and occultist he experimented with lot of things(trying to prove spirit world by science methods) including large doses of psychedelic drugs.
Tesla considered Crookes as his friend and they were in contact by the letters. Here is one very interesting short letter from Crookes to Tesla (museum archives) where...read it yourself...  Tell me would modern day scientist recognize Crookes?, no they would lough at him. 

http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/TeslaArchive/Crookes/

Again I have bias but you don't!, that is what you trying to tell here. No, it is not tendency when you trying to deny Tesla's heritage with some text from very unreliably source. Come on...

Of course we can't prove anything, but we can gather as much evidence as we can before we lay down the probabilities for the possible scenarios, and not jump to conclusions.

I agree.

Can you please explain how this is relevant? What does this have to do with the diary in question?

Check what you wrote,  you said genealogy not diary, you are tying to deceive with classic example of thesis switch,  and again it is relevant with name of this threat to.

Yugoslav's picture

It is practically impossible to logically deduce that I am trying "to prove that Tesla was a Croat". You are either incapable of comprehending argument or are simply delusional. This isn't a court of law, and there are no sides. We're trying to investigate any and ALL evidence in relation to Tesla's ethnic heritage. The only thing that can be concluded from your remarks is that you are afraid that some evidence might come to light which might indicate that Tesla's genealogy is not "pure".

All real evidence suggest that he was a pure Serb.

I don't know if you're having trouble with the English or with following arguments in general, but it seems to me that you completely misunderstood what I was saying in this instance.

Additionally, I have no doubt that "All real evidence suggest that he was a pure Serb".

You seem to be misinterpreting almost everything that I'm saying, but that's what happens when one is not trained in the scientific method, so I will forgive you. But I will not respond to nonsense anymore as I don't have time for that.

I have little interest in possible falsifications, example in John Smith interview with Tesla from 1899. Although I liked that interview I dismissed it because it is not proven to be true, evidence suggest contrary.  You are accusing me for trying to deny existence of diary without proof when you are actually doing same by suggesting the existence of diary without proof.

1. We haven't even established if the said diary exists. That was the entire point of this thread, to investigate this. And here we can clearly identify bias again. Even without any evidence that the diary exists, you are preparing for the possibility that it does by commenting that it is a "possible falsification". Are we to assume that, should this diary actually be real, you will then come back here and claim it to be a possible falsification?

2. I'm not making any definitive statements. From the very first response I have been interested in learning more about this and seeing if this diary exists. But it seems that some people don't want to explore this topic AT ALL, seemingly because they don't like it.

Now you reminded me, here is something that may actually go on your side of the story.

Again............ there is no "my side of the story". It's all 1 story. Right after I mentioned that there is no sides, you go back to "your story" and "my story". I am trying to ascertain whether this diary exists and you are vehemently attempting to dissuade me from doing that. If you were a true Tesla fan you would actually be trying to find out more about this.

On the other hand, thanks for the story, albeit irrelevant - Tesla's religious beliefs we can discuss in another thread.

Also, I am aware of the large number of documents which are still to be investigated. I will be sure to read them all one day.

Can you please explain how this is relevant? What does this have to do with the diary in question?

Check what you wrote,  you said genealogy not diary, you are tying to deceive with classic example of thesis switch,  and again it is relevant with name of this threat to.

I apologise if it looks like I was trying to deceive you. I simply jumped a branch in the argument. That means that I still stand by both of my statements -- your story about atrocities against the Serbs or Tesla's family has nothing to do with Tesla's genealogy, OR the possible Tesla diary. When I say "nothing to do with" I am referring to the actual family tree of Tesla. Namely, just because Tesla's family was a subject of atrocities does not mean that Tesla's family was 100% pure Serb, or, for the purposes of the argument, Serbian Orthodox. And actually, by assuming so, you are basing this on an idea that the criminals have conducted a thorough research on Tesla's family tree!? EVEN if this was somehow true (which would be extremely unlikely), then AT BEST we would have an indication ONLY that Tesla's family was Serb.

So in essence, you can discard that part of the argument completely -- actions against Tesla's family prove nothing in regards to the religious or ethnic affiliations of Tesla's family. Are they an indication? Yes we could say so, but only because we can see the family tree for as far back as 1750's, which would presumably be available to the criminals as well. But if Tesla had something to say for the period prior to that, which would've been passed on to him by his father or his mother, and if by some chance he managed to note this down in a diary, then every effort is worth to try and find out if this diary exists. AND even if it exists - because of the sensitive nature of the subject - every effort would have to be made to verify that the found diary is not a forgery.

truthwillsurvive's picture

You seem to be misinterpreting almost everything that I'm saying, but that's what happens when one is not trained in the scientific method, so I will forgive you. But I will not respond to nonsense anymore as I don't have time for that.

I am little bothered with your constant mentioning of the term "scientific method" as you are annoyed with my arguments. I am not a scientist neither this forum is scientific although it is related to it. There is no method or principle in existence which guaranty lead to truth. 

We haven't even established if the said diary exists. That was the entire point of this thread, to investigate this. And here we can clearly identify bias again. Even without any evidence that the diary exists, you are preparing for the possibility that it does by commenting that it is a "possible falsification". Are we to assume that, should this diary actually be real, you will then come back here and claim it to be a possible falsification?

Again, there is not concrete evidence of diary existence. My intuition tells me that even if diary should be real, as you say not me, it would be very probably fake.
I am not preparing for anything, just saying so.

Also, I am aware of the large number of documents which are still to be investigated. I will be sure to read them all one day.

I admire your commitment but doubt in success , wish you luck there.

...just because Tesla's family was a subject of atrocities does not mean that Tesla's family was 100%...

This is your misinterpretation.

...you are basing this on an idea that the criminals have conducted a thorough research on Tesla's family tree!?...

No, here you put words in my mouth.
Fascist  first killed many of the Serbs during WW2 in nazistic state of Croatia, most of Tesla's relatives were slaughtered. Then during the last war authorities of Croatia banished and killed leftovers and traces of Serbs in what is today Croatia. Result is there is no living relative of Tesla in modern day Croatia.

-- your story about atrocities against the Serbs or Tesla's family has nothing to do with Tesla's genealogy, OR the possible Tesla diary. When I say "nothing to do with" I am referring to the actual family tree of Tesla.

I am repeating myself here, how could this ,by your statement, have nothing to with Tesla family tree? Ok Tesla didn't have offspring's  of his own but almost all of the Tesla family gen was destroyed. I am speaking about wide family tree. And I never said it have any connection with diary.

-------------------------
In order to close this subject, I'm asking you to give me more clues about this diary(except first post in this threat) so I can investigate myself.

nikola_tesla1's picture

FACT:

Nikola Tesla was born in Austro-Hungary empire in 1856 not Croatia, Croatia did not exist as a state in 1856.

The Independent State of Croatia was a World War II puppet state of Nazi Germany established on a part of Axis-occupied Yugoslavia. The NDH was founded on 10 April 1941, after the invasion of Yugoslavia by the Axis powers.

Tesla's father Milutin Tesla was born in Raduc, county Medak, Lika, on February 19 1819. The Serbs came to Raduc from around Knin in the 1690s, having arrived there from western Serbia, via Hercegovina.

Tesla's mother Djuka Tesla was born in Tomingaj daughter of Nikola Mandic (1800 -1863), a Serbian Orthodox priest in Gracac, and the grandfather of Toma Budisavljevic (1777 - 1840), another priest, who was also a military commander, a Cartwright, and a fine bookbinder. She was the oldest of eight children.

Tesla's Baptism Certificate reports that he was born on June 28 (Julian calendar; July 10 in the Gregorian calendar) 1856, and christened by the Serbian orthodox priest, Toma Oklobdžija. Tesla was baptised in the Old Slavonic Church rite.

In Belgrade in 1892 Nikola Tesla said “I am happy to be a Serb and I will always be proud of it.” We, all Serbs are proud of you, proud of what you have done for a better world. Thank you. We’ll never forget you.

Croats, twice destroyed Tesla's birth house and the Orthodox church 1941-1991 in which he was baptized. Replica of his home and the church was made in 2006 Their reasons for this renewal are economic nature but above all the intention to steal the Serbian genius Tesla and show him to the world as Croat.

Most people in do not know that the Croats during the Second World War brutally murdered more than 500 Serbian residents of Smiljan among whom were relatives of Tesla. Those Serbs and Tesla relatives, who remained Those Serbs who remained were expelled in 1995 year in the action called "storm"...

In this documentary testify Serbs from the birth village of Tesla's mother, djuka Mandic her house still stands demolished and the Orthodox church where her father and grandfather were priests. 11 years residents of that village were without electricity.

But the truth can not be hidden, neither truth can be beat. Spirit of Serbian son Nikola Tesla, and spirits of his Serbian ancestry, are still alive.

According to Croats Leonardo Da Vinci was Croatian i saw few forums so was Marco Polo, Drazen Petrovic was half Serbian his father was Serbian Jovan Petrovic and mother Biserka Petrovic she is Croatian but Croats will deny this no question about it.

nikola_tesla1's picture

FACT:

Nikola Tesla was born in Austro-Hungary empire in 1856 not Croatia, Croatia did not exist as a state in 1856.

The Independent State of Croatia was a World War II puppet state of Nazi Germany established on a part of Axis-occupied Yugoslavia. The Croatia was founded on 10 April 1941, after the invasion of Yugoslavia by the Axis powers.

Tesla's father Milutin Tesla was born in Raduc, county Medak, Lika, on February 19 1819. The Serbs came to Raduc from around Knin in the 1690s, having arrived there from western Serbia, via Hercegovina.

Tesla's mother Djuka Mandic (Tesla) was born in Tomingaj daughter of Nikola Mandic (1800 -1863), a Serbian Orthodox priest in Gracac, and the grandfather of Toma Budisavljevic (1777 - 1840), another priest, who was also a military commander, a Cartwright, She was the oldest of eight children.

Tesla's Baptism Certificate reports that he was born on June 28 (Julian calendar; July 10 in the Gregorian calendar) 1856, and christened by the Serbian orthodox priest, Toma Oklobdžija. Tesla was baptised in the Old Slavonic Church rite.

Croats, twice destroyed Tesla's birth house and the Orthodox church 1941-1991 in which he was baptized. Replica of his home and the church was made in 2006 Their reasons for this renewal are economic nature but above all the intention to steal the Serbian genius Tesla and show him to the world as Croat.

Most people in do not know that the Croats during the Second World War brutally murdered more than 500 Serbian residents of Smiljan among whom were relatives of Tesla. Those Serbs and Tesla relatives, who remained Those Serbs who remained were expelled in 1995 year in the action called "storm"... In this documentary testify Serbs from the birth village of Tesla's mother, djuka Mandic her house still stands demolished and the Orthodox church where her father and grandfather were priests. 11 years residents of that village were without electricity.

But the truth can not be hidden, neither truth can be beat. Spirit of Serbian son Nikola Tesla, and spirits of his Serbian ancestry, are still alive.

nikola_tesla1's picture

EVERY SERB THAT'S FAMOUS IS AUTOMATICLLY HALF CROATIAN. ACCORDING TO CROATS LEONARDO DA VINCI WAS CROATIAN SO WAS MARCO POLO WHAT A SICK NATION. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT DRAZEN PETROVIC'S FATHER WAS OF SERBIAN ETHNICITY HIS NAME IS JOVAN PETROVIC BUT EVERY CROAT WILL DENY THIS, AND DRAZEN'S MOTHER IS CROATIAN BISERKA PETROVIC ALSO GORAN IVANISEVIC HIS MOTHER IS SERBIAN ANYWAY. I AM SICK OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT TESLA WAS CROATIAN ETC..

FIRSTLY WHEN TESLA WAS BORN IN 1856 CROATIA DID NOT EXIST, HE WAS BORN IN AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE TO SERBIAN PARENTS, TESLA'S FATHER WAS MILUTIN TESLA SERBIAN ORTHODOX PRIEST AND DJUKA MANDIC ALSO A SERB FROM GRACAC.

CROATIA WAS CREATED ON 10TH OF APRIL 1941 by the Axis powers.

Nikola Tesla's father Milutin Tesla he was Serbian Orthodox priest he was born in Raduc, county Medak, Lika, on February 19 1819. The Serbs came to Raduc from around Knin in the 1690s, having arrived there from western Serbia, via Hercegovina.

Tesla's mother Djuka Mandic (Tesla) was born in Tomingaj daughter of Nikola Mandic (1800 -1863), a Serbian Orthodox priest in Gracac, and the grandfather of Toma Budisavljevic (1777 - 1840), another priest, who was also a military commander. Djuka was the oldest of eight children.

Nikola Tesla's baptism certificate reports that he was born on June 28 (Julian calendar; July 10 in the Gregorian calendar) 1856, and christened by the Serbian orthodox priest, Toma Oklobdzija. Tesla was baptised in the old Slavonic church rite. His baptism certificate is in his museum in Belgrade and birth certificate on his birth certificate says he was born in Austro-Hungary empire. It does NOT have Croatia on his birth certificate.

This is what Tesla said when he visited Belgrade
In Belgrade in 1892 Nikola Tesla said “I am happy to be a Serb and I will always be proud of it.” We, all Serbs are proud of you, proud of what you have done for a better world. Thank you. We’ll never forget you.

Hours which I spent among them in Belgrade that are truly the most beautiful.
Hours of my life is great and my glory was in London and in Paris, but what are all these feelings for what I feel, which I then felt it my best shows to me with those people other associated links and other links are Serbian blood of my. Nikola Tesla never said that he is proud of his Croatian motherland . He was always clearly saying that he is a Serb " Croatian motherland" this nonsense was made up buy Croats.

Also Don't forget that Croats, twice destroyed Nikola Tesla's birth house and the Orthodox church in 1941 and then again during the civil war in former Yugoslavia in 1991 in which he was baptized.

Nikola Tesla's  was  christened by the Serbian orthodox priest, Toma Oklobdzija

Replica of his home and the church was made in 2006 “Croatian reasons for this renewal are economic nature but above all the intention to steal the Serbian genius Tesla and show him to the world as Croat and yes Vatican does play a big role on this”.

Most people don’t know that the Croats during the second world war brutally murdered more than 500 Serbian residents of Smiljan among whom were relatives of Nikola Tesla. Those Serbs and Tesla relatives, who remained Those Serbs who remained were expelled in 1995 year in the action called "storm”

Yugoslav's picture

...

Ok, where do I begin. You are obviously new to forums and that's the only reason I'm going to be nice about this:

First: Could you please, please, delete duplicate information when you are posting in forums, and especially when you are posting a 1000-word essay. People don't want to have to spend an additional 10 minutes trying to figure out which piece of info you added into the second post, and which into the third. I am presuming that this last post sums up all of what you wanted to say.

Second: While the above generally applies, in this case I have to say that you've written a pile of text that's available on almost every website about Tesla and posting it here is causing an unnecessary clutter. Furthermore, you are not using the information presented correctly either, but I'll get to that. What was the reason for you posting all this information here; did you have a point you were trying to make, and if so, what is your point? The way this works is, you state your point and then write arguments for it, or, sometimes, albeit less often, you can do it the other way around. Please be clear about your intentions.

Third: This is now in relation to your general comments, which seem to be related to the topic. I quote

Also Don't forget that Croats, twice destroyed Nikola Tesla's birth house and the Orthodox church in 1941 and then again during the civil war in former Yugoslavia in 1991 in which he was baptized.

Replica of his home and the church was made in 2006 “Croatian reasons for this renewal are economic nature but above all the intention to steal the Serbian genius Tesla and show him to the world as Croat and yes Vatican does play a big role on this”.

Most people don’t know that the Croats during the second world war brutally murdered more than 500 Serbian residents of Smiljan among whom were relatives of Nikola Tesla. Those Serbs and Tesla relatives, who remained Those Serbs who remained were expelled in 1995 year in the action called "storm”

Here you are pretty much carrying on with the same story that another poster in this topic was pushing: "Croats destroyed Tesla's birthouse. Croats murdered Serbs during WW2, during "storm" and so forth.". While I am not disputing any of those facts I am again reiterating the fact that this is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the topic. There is no point to be made here. Furthermore, there is an underlying critical ethical error with the wording of such facts. Namely, when we are stating who committed a crime on who we must not select any attribute of the said perpetrators as the main descriptor of that group, other than the attribute "criminal", because if we do, then we are discriminating against those groups. Such is the case here where you are saying that "Croats" murdered Serbs. The natural follow up to such statements is that all Croats are to be hated and blamed, which pretty much sums up the attitude of almost every Serbian ultranationalist. The converse situation is also true, for Croatian ultranationalists, and equally as wrong. Tesla once spoke about such groups, and here is one quote that I have for you:

"If your hate could be turned into electricity, it would light up the whole world."

I quote another part of your text:

EVERY SERB THAT'S FAMOUS IS AUTOMATICLLY HALF CROATIAN. ACCORDING TO CROATS LEONARDO DA VINCI WAS CROATIAN SO WAS MARCO POLO WHAT A SICK NATION. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT DRAZEN PETROVIC'S FATHER WAS OF SERBIAN ETHNICITY HIS NAME IS JOVAN PETROVIC BUT EVERY CROAT WILL DENY THIS, AND DRAZEN'S MOTHER IS CROATIAN BISERKA PETROVIC ALSO GORAN IVANISEVIC HIS MOTHER IS SERBIAN ANYWAY. I AM SICK OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT TESLA WAS CROATIAN ETC..

May I please remind you that this topic is NOT ABOUT THEFT OF SERBS BY THE CROATS. There are plenty of other forums where you can go and discuss such topics at length, but not here. Typing in capital letters, by the way, is considered as rude.
Nobody here cares about the names you've listed; nobody cares that you are sick of people saying that Tesla was a Croat; and nobody cares that your opinion of Croats is that they are a "sick nation", which only goes to prove my point from the argument above. In fact, you might have even offended some Croatian readers here by such statements, which goes against the forum rules.

Now, unless you want to refer to a particular line or lines of your text, I don't see anything else that is relevant or anything that is making a point. Feel free to make comments, but please be clear and concise and avoid offensive language.

dominik's picture

FACT:

Nikola Tesla was born in Austro-Hungary empire in 1856 not Croatia, Croatia did not exist as a state in 1856.

Well Tesla himself would disagree with your "FACT". To quote Tesla: "I was born in Croatia". You can find that quote by googleing "Tesla's tribute to king Alexander". Also New York Times has an online archive. The article is published on Oct. 21, 1934. I thing that no further discussion concerning his homeland is needed .

The Independent State of Croatia was a World War II puppet state of Nazi Germany established on a part of Axis-occupied Yugoslavia. The Croatia was founded on 10 April 1941, after the invasion of Yugoslavia by the Axis powers.

Croats, twice destroyed Tesla's birth house and the Orthodox church 1941-1991 in which he was baptized. Replica of his home and the church was made in 2006 Their reasons for this renewal are economic nature but above all the intention to steal the Serbian genius Tesla and show him to the world as Croat.

Most people in do not know that the Croats during the Second World War brutally murdered more than 500 Serbian residents of Smiljan among whom were relatives of Tesla. Those Serbs and Tesla relatives, who remained Those Serbs who remained were expelled in 1995 year in the action called "storm"... In this documentary testify Serbs from the birth village of Tesla's mother, djuka Mandic her house still stands demolished and the Orthodox church where her father and grandfather were priests. 11 years residents of that village were without electricity.

But the truth can not be hidden, neither truth can be beat. Spirit of Serbian son Nikola Tesla, and spirits of his Serbian ancestry, are still alive.

Please refrain yourself from unrelated discussions regarding this topic. Your personal hostile attitude towards Croatia is irrelevant. The topic is alleged Tesla's diary in which he reveals that he has Croatian origins.

dominik's picture

May I please remind you that this topic is NOT ABOUT THEFT OF SERBS BY THE CROATS. There are plenty of other forums where you can go and discuss such topics at length, but not here. Typing in capital letters, by the way, is considered as rude.
Nobody here cares about the names you've listed; nobody cares that you are sick of people saying that Tesla was a Croat; and nobody cares that your opinion of Croats is that they are a "sick nation", which only goes to prove my point from the argument above. In fact, you might have even offended some Croatian readers here by such statements, which goes against the forum rules.

Unfortunately, because of the war, Serbian propaganda is still waging war with Croatia. It is trying to erase all connections Tesla has with Croatia. I think that you yourself heard many times a construct of that propaganda that Tesla was not born in Croatia, because Croatia did not exist at that time. It is a well known construct that is constantly repeated in Serbian media.
The main characteristic of Serbian propaganda is ad-hominem attacks. In another words, spreading hate towards their "enemy". Crimes against Serbs during WWII is the main source of that attacks. That is why so many Serbs are always going to those crimes in every discussion. They have just been subjected to heavy propaganda, and its ways.

Serbia has invested a lot in Tesla brand and it has no intention to "share" Tesla with Croatia. I'm very familiar with Serbian propaganda and i can tell you that, if Tesla wrote those thing about his Croatia origins in his diary, Serbia would hide it from the public. That is my own opinion based on experience with Serbian propaganda. However i think that I am right. Here is an example supporting my opinion. Tesla himself stated that he was born in Croatia (I gave a reliable reference in upper post). However Serbian media goes very far to stress that Tesla was not born in Croatia. That is why there are so many Serbs, even on this discussion, that are denying Croatia to be his homeland.

Add new comment